Atheist Sunday School – The Historical Jesus

Today, like many other Sundays, we had Sunday School on Twitter.  Since the topic was a bit long, a few of my friends suggested that I should preserve today’s stream of tweets for further reference. In fact, their suggestion was rather that I wrote these as a blog post, but my laziness knows no boundaries. My apologies.

So, to make it less embarrassing, let’s say that this is a raw draft of a future post; also, please consider that we have yet some facts that we need to review in our next Twitter Atheist Sunday School.

This is a fascinating story, in my opinion, everyone should have access to learn about these facts.

This is how we make atheists. 😉

Oh! For these tweets to make sense you need to read them from bottom to top. Sorry.

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Thank you all for attending and for your smart nice mentions. We will continue with this topic next time. Owe you guys some replies, sorry.
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There’s more, so much more, but that’s gonna have to do for today’s #AtheistSundaySchool. It’s been a long lesson. You liked it? #Atheism
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Finding no references to Jesus in Josephus’ original work, they interpolated a brief but all-embracing reference based purely on Xian belief
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The Christians planted evidence on Josephus, turning the leading Jewish historian of his day into a witness for Jesus Christ! #atheism
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Josephus’ histories survived because the Christian censors had a use for them…. #atheism
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Whole libraries of antiquity were torched by the Xians. Yet unlike the works of his Jewish contemporaries, Josephus’ histories survived.
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This happened about the year 340 AD. This was after the Christians had become the custodians of religious correctness. #atheism
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Bishop Eusebius, Church propagandist & self-confessed liar-for-god, was the first person known to have quoted Josephus’ paragraph. #atheism
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In fact, the Josephus paragraph about Jesus does not appear until the beginning of the fourth century, at the time of Constantine. #atheism
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If Josephus thought Jesus had been ‘the Christ’ he would have added more about him than a casual aside paragraph in Pilate’s story. #atheism
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How could Josephus claim that Jesus had been the answer to his messianic hopes yet remain an orthodox Jew? #atheism
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BUT… not so fast…
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But not a single writer before the 4th century in all their defense against pagan hostility, makes reference to Josephus’ words. #atheism
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In a single paragraph, the so-called Testimonium Flavianum, Josephus confirms every salient aspect of the Christ-myth. #atheism
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At face value, Josephus appears to be the answer to the Christian apologist’s dreams on the account for a historical Jesus. #atheism
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“…For penalties relate not so much to retribution as to their exemplary effect.” – Quintilian (AD 35-95, Decl 274) #atheism
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Crucifixion was chosen precisely to make a public point that the most humiliating punishment awaits those who opposed Rome’s will. #atheism
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And why would the Romans have allowed a convicted felon to be almost immediately removed from his cross and put in a tomb? #atheism
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Philo of Alexandria (On the embassy to Gaius, XXXVIII) speaks of Pilate’s ‘continual murders of people untried and uncondemned.’ #atheism
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A trial for Jesus, when suspected rebels were habitually arrested and executed by the Romans without trial? How so? #atheism
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Gospel writers, in scrambling details, used the Aramaic Barabbas knowing that few Latin or Greek speakers would know its meaning. #atheism
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Perhaps the truth is that a single executed criminal helped flesh out the whole fantastic fable. Maybe? #atheism
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Are we to believe that Pilate had a Jesus, Son of God and a Jesus, Son of the Father in his prison at the same time??!! #atheism
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But in the original text, the chosen criminal was Jesus Barabbas – and Bar Abba in Hebrew means ‘Son of the Father’! Coincidence? #atheism
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By the Bible, Pilate offered the Jews the release of one prisoner & the cursed race chose Barabbas rather than gentle Jesus… #atheism
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Another Jesus during the reign of Artaxerxes I of Persia 465-424 BC. His brother John, the High Priest slain him in the holy temple #atheism
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There’s hardly a word of Jesus that is not to be found in a parallel saying of the rabbis. #atheism
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Practically all the events of Jesus’ supposed life appear in the lives of mythical figures of far more ancient origin. Fishy, huh? #atheism
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… aaand, we now know that Nazareth did not exist before the second century. #atheism
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This ‘universal census’ makes no sense. Roman taxes were based on property ownership not on a head count. #atheism
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…therefore there was no reason for the journey. Even if Galilee had been imperial territory, history knows of no universal census #atheism
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At the time that Joseph & the pregnant Mary allegedly went off to Bethlehem for a Roman census, Galilee was not a Roman province… #atheism
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This ‘greatest story’ is full of numerous anachronisms, contradictions and absurdities. It just doesn’t add up. Let’s see… #atheism
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See, he problem for this notion is that absolutely nothing corroborates the sacred biography, nothing at all. Nada. #atheism
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But… with so many Jesuses could there not have been a ‘Jesus of Nazareth’? You might ask. #atheism
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Jesus ben Stada met his end in the town of Lydda (twenty five miles from Jerusalem) at the hands of a Roman crucifixion crew. #atheism
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Certainly. Jesus ben Stada – was a Judean agitator who gave the Romans a headache in the early years of the second century. #atheism
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But… was there a crucified Jesus? anyone? #atheism
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Jesus ben Thebuth.A priest who in the final capitulation of the city in 69AD, saved his butt by trading the treasures of the Temple #atheism
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When the Idumeans breached the walls of Jerusalem Jesus ben Gamala was put to death & his body thrown to the dogs and carrion birds #atheism
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Jesus ben Gamala. During 68/69 AD this Jesus was a leader of the ‘peace party’ in the civil war wrecking Judaea. #atheism
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When the city was about to fall to Vespasian’s legionaries Jesus ben Saphat fled north to Tarichea on the Sea of Galilee. #atheism
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Jesus ben Saphat. In the insurrection of 68AD that wrought havoc in Galilee, this Jesus had led the rebels in Tiberias. #atheism
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Jesus ben Ananias was considered as nothing more dangerous than a mad man. He died from a rock hurled by a Roman catapult. #atheism
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Jesus ben Ananias. Beginning in 62AD, this Jesus caused disquiet in Jerusalem with a non-stop doom-laden mantra of ‘Woe to the city’ #aheism
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This Jesus launched his end-time prophecy which upset the king. He met his own end-time by being hung on a tree – on the eve of a Passover.
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Jesus ben Pandira. A wonder-worker during the reign of Alexander Jannaeus 106-79 BC one of the most ruthless of the Maccabean kings #atheism
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Ecclesiasticus is part of Old Testament Apocrypha. Ben Sirach, writing in Greek about 180 BC, brought together Jewish ‘wisdom’. #atheism
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Jesus ben Sirach. This Jesus was reputedly the author of the Book of Sirach aka Ecclesiasticus or Wisdom of Jesus the Son of Sirach #atheism
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Was there a #Jesus? Of course there was a Jesus! Certainly! The case is, there were many – but no “Jesus of Nazareth.” #atheist #atheism
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Ok, it’s #atheist Sunday School time. Who’s up for an avalanche of Jesuses? I actually love this topic. Ready? #atheism
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This one http://wp.me/pCWma-12J is for you, @bettered. Do some reading and find more answers yourself. #atheism #science
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The problem w/ you trying to prove your faith is that you look like an idiot when someone who knows more about science comes along. #atheism
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http://tl.gd/6aik3o wow! If you haven’t even heard about photosynthesis there’s not much that I can do for you.Seriously? @bettered #atheism
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Starting to think there’s no way to have everything you’ve ever dreamed of; it’s ok, though. In my dreams, I’ve had it all. ♥ Goodnight.
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Criticizing a belief is not persecution. You don’t have a problem when you deny all the gods you don’t believe in, do you. #atheism
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Our morality has evolved in spite of the so morally inadequate god described in the bible, not because of it. #atheism
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You can always close your eyes to the things you don’t want to see, but you can’t close your heart to the things you don’t want to feel. ♥
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The true value of a man…

“The true value of a man is not determined by his possession, supposed or real, of Truth, but rather by his sincere exertion to get the Truth. It is not possession of the Truth, but rather the pursuit of Truth by which he extends his powers and in which his ever-growing perfectability is to be found. Possession makes one passive, indolent, and proud. If God were to hold all Truth concealed in His right hand, and in his left only the steady and diligent drive for Truth, albeit with a proviso that I would always and forever err in the process, and to offer me the choice, I would with all humility take the left hand.”

–Gotthold Lessing, Anti-Gokz.E (1778)

Pennywise – My God

My God Lyrics:
People on the street they wannna find a god they’ll never know,
Organized religion pulls the blinds then they pull the wool,
They open up your head, they’re fuckin’ with your mind,
Now you can’t see because you’re blind
You try to make amends but your heads still spinnin’ round,
The church of Jesus Christ said it’s time, don’t fuck around,
You wanna go to heaven, you see it isn’t free, give your money up to me
My god is not the one that you wanna see, your god is a mirage,
A conspiracy, you pray for forgiveness cause your sinnin’,
Scared to death so your money you’ll be givin’, yeah

Holier than thou with your one way morality,
I think your shallow faith isn’t based in reality,
You don’t like how were live, we’re sinful and obscene,
Why are you judgin’ me?
You’re richer than God but you’re cryin’ out for more,
You’re livin’ like a king while you steal from the poor,
Wanna be forgiven, get on your knees and pray,
Send in your cash and be saved

My god is not the one that you wanna see,
Your god is a mirage, a conspiracy,
You pray for forgiveness cause your sinnin’,
Scared to death so your money you’ll be givin’,
Yeah, better hope you’ve been chosen to be saved

Cause your empathy only goes so far today
Pay no mind to those in pain if you just want the souls
Who are willing to pay
Their way, your god’s not for me

My god is not the one that you wanna see,
Your god is a mirage, a conspiracy,
You pray for forgiveness cause your sinnin’,
Scared to death so your money you’ll be givin’,
Yeah, my god is not the one that you wanna see,
Your god is a mirage, a conspiracy,
You pray for forgiveness cause your sinnin’,
Scared to death so your money you’ll be givin’,
Yeah, stop

The Problem of Evil and ID Creationism

WARNING: Biologist attempting Philosophy! Watch at your own risk. Most of the images are pretty mild, but some people are disturbed by medical images. Also censored some classic works of art (that are prominently displayed in churches) that depict non-sexual human anatomy.

Intelligent Design Creationism, in an attempt to subvert the Constitutional protections against religious education in public schools, have jettisoned the Biblical creation story. Along with that, they have lost the “Fallen Eden/Free Will” defense of the Problem of Evil. This creates a special situation where they insist on an interventionist God without a strong position of theodicy.

This video’s goal is to show one of many religious or theological objections to Intelligent Design Creationism. It’s important to remember that IDC does not represent many intelligent Christians.

What Would Jesus NOT Do?

We always hear about the many amazing things that Jesus of Nazareth apparently did, but nobody ever asks about the things that Jesus supposedly COULD have done, being omnipotent, but either didn’t bother to do or didn’t think were all that important. You know, things like… reducing human misery and suffering… that kind of thing.

It occurs to me that if indeed the miracles recorded in the bible were in fact true, and really did happen, then that only shows Yahweh/Jesus to be an even MORE malevolent and cruel being than we see in the old testament, and that’s saying something. If the miracles somehow prove that Jesus WAS in fact a god in human form, but all he could be bothered to do was turn water into wine and heal only a few hundred, or even a few thousand people with his magic saliva, then really – what is the use or good of such a god? Think of what a visiting, omnipotent deity COULD have done – but in this case, apparently, chose not to!!!!!

And this is meant to be that god’s main advertisement of its existence! Walking on water in front of a few of his mates, for the benefit of billions and billions of people who, if they don’t believe in his divinity and surrender control of their souls to him, will be sent to burn in agony for eternity.

People – DOES THIS RELIGION MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL???

How to Persuade an Atheist to Become Christian

I wish they tried to convert me, I wonder if after a few attempts they would keep categorizing this task as “easy.

I found it funny, don’t you?

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By an eHow Contributor

If you want to persuade an atheist to open up and listen to your Christian beliefs, you need to arm yourself with evidence, examples and a good testimony of what you led you to the Christian faith to begin with. Atheists often remain steadfast in the denial of a supreme being because they expect concrete proof that God truly exists. While no one can gather that type of evidence, you can use other resources to help convince them of your faith.

Difficulty: Easy

Instructions

  1. Focus on the emotional conversion to Christianity. Atheists tend to focus on the rational things of life, things they can test and touch. You cannot test and touch emotion, but you certainly can feel it. Try relating to the atheist on this emotional level by recounting the story of how you found Christ and why you decided to turn to Christianity. Retelling your story of the emotional journey you took to get to the level of faith you have now may peak the interest of an atheist.
  2. Ask the atheist what they believe caused the universe to be formed. Explain that a universe so complex and vast simply cannot come from nothing; a supreme being, often called in arguments an intelligent designer, must exist. Acknowledge that the existence of a supreme being does not necessarily negate the existence of scientifically proven data, such as evolution. In fact, science and religion can work hand in hand if one is willing to listen. An atheist need not give up his knowledge of science and the origins of the Earth to accept that a supreme being exists.
  3. Raise the question of morality with the atheist. Inquire of him where he feels he got his moral values and sense of right and wrong. Argue that morals are something many are innately born with. While our Creator has given us free will, he has also provided us with a sense of right and wrong and the choice to do right or wrong. Most of us experience that inner feeling of guilt and shame we get when we do something wrong. Acknowledge that the society and type of home our parents choose to raise us in greatly affects our moral values as functioning adults but it is difficult to deny the innate awareness we have of what is right and what is wrong.
  4. Present the stories of the Bible to the atheist and show Jesus Christ’s words in the New Testament of forgiveness and love. An atheist may think of the Bible as little more than a storybook but show the atheist your strong belief and faith in the Bible as the true word of God anyway. Persuade the atheist to come with you to a non-denominational church service that is open and informative so he can learn more.

Tips & Warnings

  • Don’t present the evidence for your case in a threatening or accusatory way. Telling an atheist he may reside in hell one day for rejecting Christianity won’t persuade him at all to your beliefs. In fact, he may reject them completely. Explain your faith in a gentle and non-threatening way that shows him you truly care about his soul and not that you’re passing judgment or just trying to win an argument.

“Courting in Church”

A young gentleman happening to sit at church in a pew adjoining one in which was a young lady, for whom he conceived a sudden and violent passion, felt desirous of entering into courtship on the spot, but the place not suiting a formal declaration, the exigency suggested the following plan:–He politely handed his fair neighbour a Bible, open, with a pin stuck in the following verse:–Second Epistle of John, verse 7th–’And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto you, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.’ She returned it with the following:–Second chapter Ruth, 10th verse–’Then she fell on her face, and bowed herself the ground, and said unto him, Why have I grace in thine eyes that thou shouldst take notice of me, seeing I am a stranger?’ He returned the book, pointing to the twelfth verse of the Third Epistle of John–’Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink; but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face.’ From the above interview, the marriage took place the following week.

The Shamrock, Aug. 26, 1871